In days gone by, most people living in Australia would have produced a reasonably good off-the-cuff answer to this question.
But in our present, multi-cultural, increasingly atheistic nation, there are many people for whom this question would draw a blank.
Additionally, as a consequence of the behaviour and commentary of some people who identify as Christian, others who might claim to know the answer could be well off the mark.
So how would we answer?
And if the question was raised in casual conversation, how would we answer in less than the 30 seconds we might be expected to give a response?
I would like to give all Christians reading this post a challenge.
Firstly, let's be sure we have a Biblically based idea of what Christianity is all about.
Then try to write an answer to this question that could be spoken, at normal casual conversation speed, in less than 5 minutes.
Then review, edit and re-write the answer so that it could be spoken in less than 2 minutes.
Then review it again and re-write it so that it could be said, conversationally, in less than 30 seconds.
Then memorise and practise it and be ready to use it whenever God produces the opportunity.
If the question is raised in casual conversation keep in mind that our answer, as well as being accurate, needs to be interesting enough to prompt our questioner to keep the conversation going in that direction.
I would love to see some 30 second answers posted in the Comments section below (as an anonymous commenter if you would prefer that).
By the way, I have started my 30 second response with ... "It's all about being a follower of God's Son, Jesus Christ ... "
Blessings, Barry
Saturday, January 25, 2020
Tuesday, January 21, 2020
Response to Universal Reconciliation Opposition - Part 9
This is the ninth in a mini-series of posts responding to the arguments offered by Dr Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum (Dr Arnold) against God's plan to eventually reconcile and save all His creation.
His arguments against Universal Reconciliation (UR) are offered under five headings, the second of which is b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead. (see a previous post "Opposition to Universal Reconciliation" here)
Under the b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead heading Dr Arnold claims that the unbelieving dead are seen in a fixed state that cannot be altered and then quotes numerous texts from the New Testament hoping to illustrate his assertion.
(i) The Matthew texts and (ii) The Rich Man and Lazarus parable from Luke's gospel were discussed in two previous posts.
(iii) Two texts from John's gospel which announce that Jews not believing in the Messiah will die in their sins.
Dr Arnold says these verses state that unless one believes, he will die in his sins and there is no possibility of belief after dying in sin.
John 8 : 21 and 24 [NET]
And, of course, this conversation occurred before Jesus had died for the sins of the world.
So instead of being able to come with Him, they would remain and die in their sins.
I agree with Dr Arnold's "that unless one believes, he will die in his sins", but where does he get "and there is no possibility of belief after dying in sin" from?
Because of Dr Arnold's prior belief, he reads into these texts the impossibility of belief any time after death.
An unbeliever who dies in their sin will certainly not see the Messianic Kingdom Age, agreed, but there is much more of God's plan to follow that Age for the unbelieving remainder of His creation, including the removal of death.
However, let's look at what Jesus said to the crowds about "counting the cost of completing the course".
Surely it is the same advice that God would follow Himself.
Whatever God is planning, surely He would have previously counted its cost, and would be "well-advised" to complete (so passers-by would not poke fun at Him) - wouldn't He?
So, yes, unbelievers (Jews and Gentiles) will die in their sin (not knowing their sin has been taken care of) and miss the Kingdom Age.
But God has provided for everyone (Jew and Gentile alike) beyond that age through the death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
If salvation is such a done deal for all, where does faith/belief fit in?
I mentioned this in Part 3 here to refresh your thoughts on this question.
Note: I have written about the Advance Party on several occasions including here
and on the website here under "Believers" in the main menu.
Blessings, Barry
His arguments against Universal Reconciliation (UR) are offered under five headings, the second of which is b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead. (see a previous post "Opposition to Universal Reconciliation" here)
Under the b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead heading Dr Arnold claims that the unbelieving dead are seen in a fixed state that cannot be altered and then quotes numerous texts from the New Testament hoping to illustrate his assertion.
(i) The Matthew texts and (ii) The Rich Man and Lazarus parable from Luke's gospel were discussed in two previous posts.
(iii) Two texts from John's gospel which announce that Jews not believing in the Messiah will die in their sins.
Dr Arnold says these verses state that unless one believes, he will die in his sins and there is no possibility of belief after dying in sin.
John 8 : 21 and 24 [NET]
Then Jesus said to them again, “I am going away, and you will look for me but will die in your sin. Where I am going you cannot come.”As usual, Jesus was talking with the Jews about the Messianic Kingdom and their need to believe He was the Messiah for them to join Him in it.
"Thus I told you that you will die in your sins. For unless you believe that I am he, you will die in your sins.”
And, of course, this conversation occurred before Jesus had died for the sins of the world.
So instead of being able to come with Him, they would remain and die in their sins.
I agree with Dr Arnold's "that unless one believes, he will die in his sins", but where does he get "and there is no possibility of belief after dying in sin" from?
Because of Dr Arnold's prior belief, he reads into these texts the impossibility of belief any time after death.
An unbeliever who dies in their sin will certainly not see the Messianic Kingdom Age, agreed, but there is much more of God's plan to follow that Age for the unbelieving remainder of His creation, including the removal of death.
For Christ will be King until he has defeated all his enemies, including the last enemy—death. This too must be defeated and ended.We have discussed this eventuality in previous posts, so I'll try not to repeat too much here.
[1 Cor 15 : 25 - 26 TLB]
However, let's look at what Jesus said to the crowds about "counting the cost of completing the course".
Is there anyone here who, planning to build a new house, doesn’t first sit down and figure the cost so you’ll know if you can complete it?This was Jesus' advice to those who might be considering discipleship.
If you only get the foundation laid and then run out of money, you’re going to look pretty foolish.
Everyone passing by will poke fun at you: ‘He started something he couldn’t finish.’
[Luke 14 : 28 - 30 MSG]
Surely it is the same advice that God would follow Himself.
Whatever God is planning, surely He would have previously counted its cost, and would be "well-advised" to complete (so passers-by would not poke fun at Him) - wouldn't He?
Because of the sacrifice of the Messiah, his blood poured out on the altar of the Cross, we’re a free people—free of penalties and punishments chalked up by all our misdeeds.Clearly, unlike those in the Advance Party serving Christ in the Messianic Kingdom, others don't have to believe anything during this age to benefit from God's eventual plan of salvation when it is completed at the end of the ages!
And not just barely free, either. Abundantly free!
He thought of everything, provided for everything we could possibly need, letting us in on the plans He took such delight in making.
He set it all out before us in Christ, a long-range plan in which everything would be brought together and summed up in him, everything in deepest heaven, everything on planet earth.
[Ephesians 1 : 7 - 10 MSG]
So, yes, unbelievers (Jews and Gentiles) will die in their sin (not knowing their sin has been taken care of) and miss the Kingdom Age.
But God has provided for everyone (Jew and Gentile alike) beyond that age through the death and resurrection of His Son, Jesus Christ.
If salvation is such a done deal for all, where does faith/belief fit in?
I mentioned this in Part 3 here to refresh your thoughts on this question.
Note: I have written about the Advance Party on several occasions including here
and on the website here under "Believers" in the main menu.
Blessings, Barry
Friday, January 10, 2020
What MUST Be
While away on holiday and doing some fun-reading, I was intrigued by the number of times some of our little, yet powerful, English words occurred in the Scriptures. The words that got me thinking were "must" and "so".
Today's post discusses "must". (I might discuss "so" in a future one)
The word "must" is a frequent translation of the Greek word "dei" in most English versions of the New Testament, although sometimes it is translated as
is necessary,
is needful,
is required,
is binding,
depending on the context and flow of the English sentence that contains it
For example, in Matthew 16 : 21, it is used twice to show what was required of Jesus.
Is it not saying that the salvation of mankind is necessary, is a required outcome of the mission of Jesus, is binding on Jesus to achieve?
Wow! An exclusive process producing an inclusive result!
One person produces salvation for all people!
Reminds me of Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 15.
The must verses are so plentiful and demonstrate how God has bound himself to his plan to redeem his whole creation. And, of course, because he is sovereign, all powerful, he must fully accomplish that plan.
Blessings, Barry
Today's post discusses "must". (I might discuss "so" in a future one)
The word "must" is a frequent translation of the Greek word "dei" in most English versions of the New Testament, although sometimes it is translated as
is necessary,
is needful,
is required,
is binding,
depending on the context and flow of the English sentence that contains it
For example, in Matthew 16 : 21, it is used twice to show what was required of Jesus.
From that time on Jesus began to explain to his disciples that he must go to Jerusalem and suffer many things at the hands of the elders, the chief priests and the teachers of the law, and that he must be killed and on the third day be raised to life. [NIV]Another example:
He (Jesus) said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.”A verse that many use to show that Jesus in the only means of salvation for mankind is Acts 4 : 12.
[Luke 24 : 44 NIV]
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved. [NIV]This verse clearly demonstrates God's exclusive means of salvation (Jesus), but what is the must part of the verse saying?
Is it not saying that the salvation of mankind is necessary, is a required outcome of the mission of Jesus, is binding on Jesus to achieve?
Wow! An exclusive process producing an inclusive result!
One person produces salvation for all people!
Reminds me of Paul's statement in 1 Corinthians 15.
For as in Adam all die, so in Christ all will be made alive.Paul uses "must" quite often himself.
[1 Cor 15 : 22 NIV]
For the perishable must clothe itself with the imperishable, and the mortal with immortality.Seems like Paul is describing an eventual outcome which God has bound himself to achieve, which is a consistent follow-on from the previous verses 25 and 26.
[1 Corinthians 15 : 53 NIV]
For he (Jesus) must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. The last enemy to be destroyed is death. [NIV]However, before we get that far we are bound to appear before the judgement seat of Christ.
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each of us may receive what is due us for the things done while in the body, whether good or bad.All rewards must be given and anything inappropriate for the next stage of the journey must be removed. (read 1 Corinthians 3 : 11 - 15 for details)
[2 Corinthians 5 : 10 NIV]
The must verses are so plentiful and demonstrate how God has bound himself to his plan to redeem his whole creation. And, of course, because he is sovereign, all powerful, he must fully accomplish that plan.
Blessings, Barry
Monday, December 30, 2019
New Year Resolutions
A popular past-time for many people at this time of the year is to make (and break) new year resolutions.
These are most often centred around being materially or personally better off.
Favourite resolutions are to lose weight, quit smoking, save more/spend less, learn something new, exercise more, and other "me-focused" goals - all very worthy targets.
Disciples of Jesus might consider adding something more "other-focused" to these.
A recurring exhortation in both the Old and New Testaments is for God's people to love God and neighbour.
When Jesus was asked by a Jewish leader which commandment he considered was the most important, he replied:
And how could we do that?
Well, it depends on what we mean by love.
My definition: to love someone is to always want the best for them, and whenever the opportunity arises, to do that best for them.
(Notice that it has nothing to do with whether we like that someone or not.)
So, how could we love God more?
In other words, how could we do more of what would be best for God?
One way would be to represent him and his love for humanity more often and more faithfully.
In other words, how could we do more of what would be best for our neighbour?
A back-handed answer is for us to become more Christ-like, as he was always doing the best for others.
Out of that Christ-likeness flows insight into what is best for our neighbour, prompting us into action.
I am amazed at how often the Holy Spirit prompts me to call, visit or pray for someone I have not even been thinking about and discover my contact has resulted in meeting a current need of that neighbour.
As well as transforming me, I am prompted to love my neighbour as Christ would. Indeed, he is loving them through me.
So what about the "me-focused" resolutions on my list?
How can these contribute to our loving God and neighbour more?
To be better off financially might allow us to be better providers for our families and give us more options for doing the best for our neighbour.
To lose weight (a perennial favourite) might be an admirable goal if it means carrying less weight makes us more effective and efficient in serving God and neighbour.
To learn something new might be just the thing the Holy Spirit wants us to use in loving our neighbour.
Disciples of Jesus have so many options when choosing resolutions for the new year together with the Holy Spirit's empowering to ensure those new goals last the distance.
And all of them can contribute to Jesus' call for us to love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.
Wishing you a Spirit-guided and productive new year.
Blessings, Barry
These are most often centred around being materially or personally better off.
Favourite resolutions are to lose weight, quit smoking, save more/spend less, learn something new, exercise more, and other "me-focused" goals - all very worthy targets.
Disciples of Jesus might consider adding something more "other-focused" to these.
A recurring exhortation in both the Old and New Testaments is for God's people to love God and neighbour.
When Jesus was asked by a Jewish leader which commandment he considered was the most important, he replied:
"The most important one is this: 'Listen, Israel! The Lord our God is the only Lord.So our added resolutions could be "to love God more" and "to be more loving to my neighbour".
Love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.'
The second most important commandment is this: 'Love your neighbor as you love yourself.'
There is no other commandment more important than these two."
[Mark 12 : 29 - 31 GNB]
And how could we do that?
Well, it depends on what we mean by love.
My definition: to love someone is to always want the best for them, and whenever the opportunity arises, to do that best for them.
(Notice that it has nothing to do with whether we like that someone or not.)
So, how could we love God more?
In other words, how could we do more of what would be best for God?
One way would be to represent him and his love for humanity more often and more faithfully.
... He has restored our relationship with him through Christ, and has given us this ministry of restoring relationships.Then how could we love our neighbour more?
In other words, God was using Christ to restore his relationship with humanity. He didn't hold people's faults against them, and he has given us this message of restored relationships to tell others.
Therefore, we are Christ's representatives ...
[2 Corinthians 5 : 18 - 20 GW]
In other words, how could we do more of what would be best for our neighbour?
A back-handed answer is for us to become more Christ-like, as he was always doing the best for others.
Those whom God had already chosen he also set apart to become like his Son, so that the Son would be the first among many believers.We do this by allowing the indwelling Holy Spirit to guide and correct us, so progressively transforming us into Christ-likeness.
[Romans 8 : 29 GNB]
All of us, then, reflect the glory of the Lord with uncovered faces; and that same glory, coming from the Lord, who is the Spirit, transforms us into his likeness in an ever greater degree of glory.
[2 Corinthians 3 : 18 GNB]
Out of that Christ-likeness flows insight into what is best for our neighbour, prompting us into action.
I am amazed at how often the Holy Spirit prompts me to call, visit or pray for someone I have not even been thinking about and discover my contact has resulted in meeting a current need of that neighbour.
As well as transforming me, I am prompted to love my neighbour as Christ would. Indeed, he is loving them through me.
So what about the "me-focused" resolutions on my list?
How can these contribute to our loving God and neighbour more?
To be better off financially might allow us to be better providers for our families and give us more options for doing the best for our neighbour.
To lose weight (a perennial favourite) might be an admirable goal if it means carrying less weight makes us more effective and efficient in serving God and neighbour.
To learn something new might be just the thing the Holy Spirit wants us to use in loving our neighbour.
Disciples of Jesus have so many options when choosing resolutions for the new year together with the Holy Spirit's empowering to ensure those new goals last the distance.
And all of them can contribute to Jesus' call for us to love God and love our neighbour as ourselves.
Wishing you a Spirit-guided and productive new year.
Blessings, Barry
Saturday, December 21, 2019
A Christmas Reflection
It is so easy to forget (neglect) the reason we celebrate Christmas when we become over-consumed with parties, shopping for gifts, arranging travel and accommodation, family dinners, etc.
So we, especially those of us who are disciples of Jesus, need to ensure some time is given to focus ourselves and our families on the One whose birthday we acknowledge at this time of the year.
And although it is easy to start with the baby and the manger, let's not stop there. Let's discuss who the baby was and why he came.
Jesus' visit and ministry were planned by God even before the beginning of time.
I wish you and your loved ones a holy and blessed Christmas as you celebrate and give thanks for our wonderful Saviour.
Barry
So we, especially those of us who are disciples of Jesus, need to ensure some time is given to focus ourselves and our families on the One whose birthday we acknowledge at this time of the year.
And although it is easy to start with the baby and the manger, let's not stop there. Let's discuss who the baby was and why he came.
Jesus' visit and ministry were planned by God even before the beginning of time.
God saved us and chose us to be his holy people. We did nothing to deserve this, but God planned it because he is so kind. Even before time began God planned for Christ Jesus to show kindness to us.His arrival was announced by the Old Testament prophets centuries before he appeared.
[2 Timothy 1 : 9 CEV]
So the Lord himself will give you this sign: A virgin will become pregnant and give birth to a son, and she will name him Immanuel [God Is With Us].His divinity was recognised.
[Isaiah 7 : 14 GW]
The LORD said, "Sing for joy, people of Jerusalem! I am coming to live among you!"
[Zechariah 2 : 10 GNB]
The Word became a human being and, full of grace and truth, lived among us. We saw his glory, the glory which he received as the Father's only Son.Jesus' purpose in coming to earth was acknowledged.
[John 1 : 14 GNB]
For the full content of divine nature lives in Christ, in his humanity,
[Colossians 2 : 9 GNB]
The next day John (the Baptist) saw Jesus coming to him, and said, "There is the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!And Jesus himself said:
[John 1 : 29 GNB]
This is a true saying, to be completely accepted and believed: Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners.
[1 Timothy 1 : 15 GNB]
I came, not to judge the world, but to save it.Indeed Jesus, God in an earth-suit, is in the only One who can provide the salvation God has chosen to give us.
[John 12 : 47b GNB]
Salvation is to be found through him alone; in all the world there is no one else whom God has given who can save us."Clearly, if the Creator of the universe would so confine himself to a human body in order to provide for our salvation and ultimately eternal life in his company, the least we can do is make sure he and his salvation work are acknowledged on the day we celebrate his earth birthday.
[Acts 4 : 12 GNB]
I wish you and your loved ones a holy and blessed Christmas as you celebrate and give thanks for our wonderful Saviour.
Barry
Tuesday, December 17, 2019
God's Judgement and Reconciliation For All
In a previous post, we dismissed the "hell of eternal torment" proposed by many people by first showing its absurdity, and then the Bible's declaration of God's intention to reconcile all of His creation to Himself.
Since we are currently living in an age which is dominated by sin, death and hostility towards God, there is clearly a lot that must happen to get mankind from where it is now to that promised reconciliation and peaceful state.
A broad brush stroke overview of the journey from here to there is outlined in the Scriptures and briefly described below.
It is a multi-age process with an advance party chosen and equipped in the current age, joined by a regathered and restored national Israel, to serve in Christ's kingdom age, followed by a final gathering and restoration of the rest of mankind at the end of time.
(Christ's kingdom age is often referred to as the Messianic Age by the Jewish community and as the Millennium by many in the Church community.)
Those in the Advance Party, also called the Body of Christ, are given the faith to believe that Jesus died for their sins and was resurrected to guarantee their life beyond the grave, and have subsequently committed themselves to serving Jesus as training for their future kingdom duties.
Serving Jesus in the current era also involves progressive correction and reformation into the image in which God originally made them. However, the journey to Christ-likeness will not be completed before the end of their lifetime on earth, so a future assessment and refining process is provided to ensure their perfection for service in the kingdom.
Paul explains this process when writing to the Corinthian believers in the Advance Party, who came to faith under his ministry.
When the last of the Advance Party is chosen and perfected, and Israel's regathering and restoration completed, the kingdom age begins. It is during this age, under the personal direction of Jesus Christ and the major judgement and restoration events at its end, that God completes His plan to reconcile all mankind.
However the scale of this latter process will be much larger than for the believers in the Advance Party as the final harvest will be dealing with the rest of mankind compared with only the first fruits in the former.
Indeed the Book of Revelation refers to the final judgement scene as the Great White Throne and its refinement facility as the Lake of Fire, giving an indication of their size.
The penalty for sin being paid for, death being abolished, God becoming "all in all", and all of creation being reconciled to God, are surely the outcomes we'd confidently expect from a loving heavenly Father who is in full control of His creation.
Judgement and correction/refinement are the methods God uses to complete that outcome for all - for those in the Advance Party and for those whose reconciliation awaits the end of time.
Blessings, Barry
Since we are currently living in an age which is dominated by sin, death and hostility towards God, there is clearly a lot that must happen to get mankind from where it is now to that promised reconciliation and peaceful state.
A broad brush stroke overview of the journey from here to there is outlined in the Scriptures and briefly described below.
It is a multi-age process with an advance party chosen and equipped in the current age, joined by a regathered and restored national Israel, to serve in Christ's kingdom age, followed by a final gathering and restoration of the rest of mankind at the end of time.
(Christ's kingdom age is often referred to as the Messianic Age by the Jewish community and as the Millennium by many in the Church community.)
Those in the Advance Party, also called the Body of Christ, are given the faith to believe that Jesus died for their sins and was resurrected to guarantee their life beyond the grave, and have subsequently committed themselves to serving Jesus as training for their future kingdom duties.
Serving Jesus in the current era also involves progressive correction and reformation into the image in which God originally made them. However, the journey to Christ-likeness will not be completed before the end of their lifetime on earth, so a future assessment and refining process is provided to ensure their perfection for service in the kingdom.
Paul explains this process when writing to the Corinthian believers in the Advance Party, who came to faith under his ministry.
Using the gift that God gave me, I did the work of an expert builder and laid the foundation, and someone else is building on it. But each of you must be careful how you build.This judgement and refinement for believers occurs before Christ Himself.
For God has already placed Jesus Christ as the one and only foundation, and no other foundation can be laid.
Some will use gold or silver or precious stones in building on the foundation; others will use wood or grass or straw.
And the quality of each person's work will be seen when the Day of Christ exposes it. For on that Day fire will reveal everyone's work; the fire will test it and show its real quality.
If what was built on the foundation survives the fire, the builder will receive a reward.
But if your work is burnt up, then you will lose it; but you yourself will be saved, as if you had escaped through the fire.
[1 Cor 3 : 10 - 15 GNT]
For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ, so that each one may receive what is due for what he has done in the body, whether good or evil.Clearly, the more believers grow towards Christ-likeness during their lifetime on earth, the less refinement will be needed for their role in the kingdom.
[2 Corinthians 5 : 10 ESV]
When the last of the Advance Party is chosen and perfected, and Israel's regathering and restoration completed, the kingdom age begins. It is during this age, under the personal direction of Jesus Christ and the major judgement and restoration events at its end, that God completes His plan to reconcile all mankind.
But now Christ has been raised from the dead. He became the first fruits of those who are asleep.The New Testament has other references to this final result. Here's an example:
For since death came by man, the resurrection of the dead also came by man.
For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all will be made alive.
But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, then those who are Christ’s, at his coming.
Then the end comes, when he will deliver up the Kingdom to God, even the Father; when he will have abolished all rule and all authority and power.
For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet.
The last enemy that will be abolished is death. ...
When all things have been subjected to him, then the Son will also himself be subjected to him who subjected all things to him, that God may be all in all.
[1 Corinthians 15 : 20 - 28 WEB]
Christ existed before all things, and in union with him all things have their proper place.Just as the perfection process for the Advance Party involves judgement and correction, as characterised by a refining fire at the end of this current age, so the remainder of mankind will experience judgement and restoration, also characterised by a refining fire at the end of the kingdom age.
He is the head of his body, the church; he is the source of the body's life. He is the first-born Son, who was raised from death, in order that he alone might have the first place in all things.
For it was by God's own decision that the Son has in himself the full nature of God.
Through the Son, then, God decided to bring the whole universe back to himself. God made peace through his Son's blood on the cross and so brought back to himself all things, both on earth and in heaven.
[Colossians 1 : 17 - 20 GNT]
However the scale of this latter process will be much larger than for the believers in the Advance Party as the final harvest will be dealing with the rest of mankind compared with only the first fruits in the former.
Indeed the Book of Revelation refers to the final judgement scene as the Great White Throne and its refinement facility as the Lake of Fire, giving an indication of their size.
The penalty for sin being paid for, death being abolished, God becoming "all in all", and all of creation being reconciled to God, are surely the outcomes we'd confidently expect from a loving heavenly Father who is in full control of His creation.
Judgement and correction/refinement are the methods God uses to complete that outcome for all - for those in the Advance Party and for those whose reconciliation awaits the end of time.
Blessings, Barry
Thursday, December 12, 2019
Response to Universal Reconciliation Opposition - Part 8
This is the eighth in a mini-series of posts responding to the arguments offered by Dr Arnold G. Fruchtenbaum (Dr Arnold) against God's plan to eventually reconcile and save all His creation.
His arguments against Universal Reconciliation (UR) are offered under five headings, the second of which is b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead. (see a previous post "Opposition to Universal Reconciliation" here )
Under the b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead heading Dr Arnold claims that the unbelieving dead are seen in a fixed state that cannot be altered and then quotes numerous texts from the New Testament hoping to illustrate his assertion.
(i) The Matthew texts were discussed in a previous post.
(ii) The Rich Man and Lazarus parable from Luke's gospel which is presumed to show the fixed state of "hell".
Dr Arnold uses this story to point out that the rich man could not pass from his place in Hell to Lazarus in Abraham's bosom; there was no crossing the line, and no future opportunity to do so, thus demonstrating a fixed state that cannot be altered.
I won't list the lengthy parable here, so please read it in your Bible - Luke 16 : 19 - 31.
First of all, let me note that a correct Greek to English translation would use Hades instead of Hell to describe the rich man's position. In any case, apart from being a poor translation, the word "hell" has some grisly connotations derived from centuries of fear-mongering, church teaching and is best avoided in serious Bible study.
Hades is the unseen realm of departed spirits - nothing more; nothing less. (Sheol is the Hebrew equivalent.)
Before the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, this was the resting place for all who died.
Second, Hades could hardly be describing a fixed state as there are at least two resurrections to occur subsequent to this age, making Hades only a temporary place of residence.
Third, some people conflate the Hades of this parable with the Lake of Fire described in Revelation 20, assuming that both are a description of the "hell of eternal torment" that has been taught relentlessly as the future for unbelievers.
However the Lake of Fire is called the Second Death in the Bible and, since death is to be abolished at the end of the ages, the Lake of Fire can't be permanent either.
Fourth, using this parable to produce an eternal doctrine is also inappropriate.
Let's remember that parables are stories that use familiar earthly ingredients to illustrate spiritual principles or realities.
Let's also remember that Jesus was only sent to Israel for his earthly ministry,
So Jesus' parables were designed to convey spiritual meanings about the kingdom of God, the Messianic Age promised by Israel's prophets.
They had nothing to do with the eternal realm on which many Christians are focused.
Dr Arnold's opposition dissolves in the face of the kingdom circumstances of this parable - there is nothing in it that even hints of a permanence that extends into eternity.
We'll discuss the texts from John's gospel in the next part.
Blessings, Barry
Note 1
I have addressed Dr Arnold's objection using his assumption that the parable is being used to describe conditions in "hell" (Hades).
Many commentators agree with that assumption.
However, I think the parable is telling his Jewish audience something quite different and much more relevant to them at that time.
I could write a post describing my interpretation, if you're interested.
Let me know if you are and I'll get a separate post written in the new year.
Note 2
As an aside, I think that Jesus' audience would have had difficulty visualising this parable as a description of "hell" as their view had "hell" populated by people who were asleep and unable to speak or debate.
So a parable describing inhabitants conversing and debating ... is unlikely to be interpreted by Jesus' audience in the way many Christian commentators do.
His arguments against Universal Reconciliation (UR) are offered under five headings, the second of which is b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead. (see a previous post "Opposition to Universal Reconciliation" here )
Under the b. The Fixed State of the Unbelieving Dead heading Dr Arnold claims that the unbelieving dead are seen in a fixed state that cannot be altered and then quotes numerous texts from the New Testament hoping to illustrate his assertion.
(i) The Matthew texts were discussed in a previous post.
(ii) The Rich Man and Lazarus parable from Luke's gospel which is presumed to show the fixed state of "hell".
Dr Arnold uses this story to point out that the rich man could not pass from his place in Hell to Lazarus in Abraham's bosom; there was no crossing the line, and no future opportunity to do so, thus demonstrating a fixed state that cannot be altered.
I won't list the lengthy parable here, so please read it in your Bible - Luke 16 : 19 - 31.
First of all, let me note that a correct Greek to English translation would use Hades instead of Hell to describe the rich man's position. In any case, apart from being a poor translation, the word "hell" has some grisly connotations derived from centuries of fear-mongering, church teaching and is best avoided in serious Bible study.
Hades is the unseen realm of departed spirits - nothing more; nothing less. (Sheol is the Hebrew equivalent.)
Before the death, resurrection and ascension of Jesus, this was the resting place for all who died.
Second, Hades could hardly be describing a fixed state as there are at least two resurrections to occur subsequent to this age, making Hades only a temporary place of residence.
Do not be amazed at this, for an hour is coming in which all those in the tombs will hear his voice, and those who have done good things will come forth into a resurrection of life, and those who have done evil things into a resurrection of judgement.Although the gulf between the rich man and Lazarus is not able to be crossed at the time of the telling of this parable, it will be irrelevant at the time of the resurrections.
[John 5 : 28 DBH]
Third, some people conflate the Hades of this parable with the Lake of Fire described in Revelation 20, assuming that both are a description of the "hell of eternal torment" that has been taught relentlessly as the future for unbelievers.
However the Lake of Fire is called the Second Death in the Bible and, since death is to be abolished at the end of the ages, the Lake of Fire can't be permanent either.
Christ will rule until he puts all his enemies under his power, and the last enemy he destroys will be death.So the conflation is not helpful (as well as being ill-conceived).
[1 Cor 15 : 25 - 26 CEV]
Fourth, using this parable to produce an eternal doctrine is also inappropriate.
Let's remember that parables are stories that use familiar earthly ingredients to illustrate spiritual principles or realities.
Let's also remember that Jesus was only sent to Israel for his earthly ministry,
"I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel"and the only two ages that Israel was concerned with were their current age and the Messianic KIngdom Age, which Christians often call the Millennium.
[Matthew 15 : 26 NIV]
These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel."
[Matthew 10 : 5 - 6 NIV]
"As you go, proclaim this message: 'The kingdom of heaven has come near.'"They didn't conceive of an eternity at all, and Jesus never addressed eternity with them, even though many English Bible translators put the word "eternal" in Jesus' mouth. (If you're not sure about that, check out a literal translation of the New Testament like Young's or Hart's or Rotherham's or the Concordant Version. You'll find that Jesus did not use the word "eternal" or "eternity" or "everlasting" or "forever" at all.)
[Matthew 10 : 7 NIV]
But seek first the kingdom of God and His righteousness, and all these things will be provided for you.
[Matthew 6 : 33 HCSB]
So Jesus' parables were designed to convey spiritual meanings about the kingdom of God, the Messianic Age promised by Israel's prophets.
They had nothing to do with the eternal realm on which many Christians are focused.
Dr Arnold's opposition dissolves in the face of the kingdom circumstances of this parable - there is nothing in it that even hints of a permanence that extends into eternity.
We'll discuss the texts from John's gospel in the next part.
Blessings, Barry
Note 1
I have addressed Dr Arnold's objection using his assumption that the parable is being used to describe conditions in "hell" (Hades).
Many commentators agree with that assumption.
However, I think the parable is telling his Jewish audience something quite different and much more relevant to them at that time.
I could write a post describing my interpretation, if you're interested.
Let me know if you are and I'll get a separate post written in the new year.
Note 2
As an aside, I think that Jesus' audience would have had difficulty visualising this parable as a description of "hell" as their view had "hell" populated by people who were asleep and unable to speak or debate.
For the living know they will die; but the dead do not know anything, ... (this verse is the most frequently cited)These verses from the Hebrew Scriptures demonstrate their view that the dead know and do nothing because they are asleep and therefore unconscious until the resurrection.
Whatever your hand finds to do, do it with all your might; for there is no activity or planning or knowledge or wisdom in Sheol where you are going.
[Ecclesiastes 9 : 5, 10]
So man lies down and does not rise.
Until the heavens are no longer, He will not awake nor be aroused out of his sleep.
[Job 14 : 12]
Many of those who sleep in the dust of the ground will awake, these to everlasting life, but the others to disgrace and everlasting contempt.
[Daniel 12 : 2]
So a parable describing inhabitants conversing and debating ... is unlikely to be interpreted by Jesus' audience in the way many Christian commentators do.
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